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I have guns that would be safe to fire with the ten gauge 1 5/8 ounce Super-X or Remington loads, but what would I use them for? Pheasants, either pointed or tower thrown, or turkeys are possibilities, but clay targets are better addressed with handloads. I think the availability of the heavy 1 5/8 ounce 2 7/8" factory loads will continue for decades.