16 Gauge Vulcan, 1 Frame 28 inch barrels choked m,f

[Researcher]

From 1923, when the high velocity, progressive burning powder, 3 dram equiv., 1 1/8 ounce 16-gauge Super-X load was introduced, any of these guns in use very likely digested lots of them and their Peters High-Velocity, Remington Nitro Express, etc. versions. Seems about the 1990s people started getting concerned about this stuff.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

From 1923, when the high velocity, progressive burning powder, 3 dram equiv., 1 1/8 ounce 16-gauge Super-X load was introduced, any of these guns in use very likely digested lots of them and their Peters High-Velocity, Remington Nitro Express, etc. versions. Seems about the 1990s people started getting concerned about this stuff.

Interesting point. I think maybe that was about the time when steel shot was being introduced. Steel just does not act like lead at all and these guns cannot handle it, I think. I would even think copper plated lead would be rough on a barrel and RST sells those in 2.5 inch rounds.

I am not sure there is a difference as long as your shooting something soft like lead or bismuth, shot size is not too large, and charge/velocity of round is not over the top.

Not really trying to advocate anything but seems the biggest difference I can see is just that RST makes 2.5 inch shells that seem to be the same as most of the so called modern shells that are 2 3/4. I mean is there that big a difference or did someone respected just say it without qualifying it and now its accepted as gospel and why the difference.

I know mind justifies the heart. Hence somebody says I only buy a Ralph Lauren Polo shirt because of quality of shirt and the logo, but there are plenty other polo shirts with different logos, but shirts are made about the same from same cloth but sized a bit different. Its just something you identify with. Shirts maybe a lousy parable. How about a Yeti cooler vs an Engel cooler. Is one really better than the other?

Maybe I am thinking to hard or not hard enough. What is considered a low pressure load for a 16 gauge Vulcan steel barrel for gun with modified or full chokes. Is it the amount of shot, size of charge, velocity, paper wad as opposed to a plastic wad. Its like someone says trust me shoot these low pressure shells. Okay. So what makes them low pressure? Its their marketing gimmick like calling food organic and charging a premium, trust me its better for you and your pipes. Does it all come out about the same.

BTW in my search for shotgun shell Nirvana I came across this article. BTW this guy loves sxs with double triggers.
http://www.sidebysideshotgun.com/art...s_article.html

[Researcher]

“But look at the target loads that all the major ammunition manufacturers produce. Winchester, Federal, Remington--they use their very best components and materials for their target loads. You’ll rarely see a 12-gauge load with more than 1 1/8 ounces of shot, and most of them are no heavier than a 3 ¼ dram equivalent of powder.

That has more to do with the ATA limiting trap loads to 1 1/8 ounce beginning April 1940. Before that there were plenty of 1 1/4 ounce trap loads. These were serious trap loads in the 1930s --

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The heaviest trap/Pigeon load Western Cartridge Co. offered from 1929 to 1949 was a 12-gauge, 3-inch, Super-X, Lubaloy, handicap trap and Pigeon load with a maximum charge of progressive burning powder pushing 1 1/4 ounce of copper plated #7 or #7 1/2 shot. See the *

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[edgarspencer]

I'd love to hear what your Metallurgist friend has to say about how badly this 'fluid steel' has aged. I only have a masters in Applied Metallurgy, so all I know is it's only "Fluid", going from furnace to mold. After that, it's just steel.
Given your gun is a one frame 28", you're not going duck hunting, and any pheasant and upland load appropriate is going to be easily digested.
Copper plated shot shot reacts much the same as the un-plated lead, and has no deleterious effect on the barrels. The whole point of keeping loads reasonable, getting that lead moving no faster than it needs to be going, is to reduce recoil on the 100 year old wood. Anything you think you need 1 1/8 ozs for, will be equally well accomplished with 7/8 to 1oz. 1175-1200 fps loads are unlikely to damage your 'aged, fluid steel' barrels.