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					Originally Posted by  bob weeman
					 
				 
				In the short ten has anyone tried over powder wads to take up space and then an SP-10?  This allows all the shot to stay in the shot cup.  I tried a 16 gauge half inch wad but I do not think it got as good an ignition.  Too small I would guess.  Anyone tried this with 10 gauge over powder wads?  Would that and an SP-10 increase pressure?  Must have been or there is a reason is is not? Thanks for help you can provide.... 
			
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 What is it you are trying to achieve by having all the shot in the shot cup, a tighter pattern?  How did your gun(s) pattern with a filler wad under the shot?  Most of the short tens were built and choked in the days of no shot cups and most pattern plenty tight with a filler wad under the shot.