Here we go again

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

I'm not sure if you gentlemen know this or not, but the government doesn't know if you own a gun or not. Much less the type. For instance if the police find a weapon that was used in a crime but don't know who it belong to. They first have to contact the manufacturer and see what wholesaler it was sold to, then they have to contact the wholesaler and see what retailer it was sold to, then they have to contact the retailer and see who they sold it to. Believe it or not its true. When you go to purchase a gun they run a criminal background check to see if your eligible or not......that's all. Research it you will find its so. And all retailers only have to keep the records of who bought what 20yrs. It also carries the same confidentiality status as your Federal Income Tax Return Statement.

See you in the field!!!!

Not necessarily so. Here in MA a copy of the transfer of ownership form (gun registration form) including the make, capacity, and serial number is sent to the Criminal Recoeds Division and is kept on file indefinitely. This probably varies from state to state but the ATF and FBI can access these records any time they so desire, and if that isn't government gun registration, I don't know what is.





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[Kirk Mckinney]

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. I ran this info by my son when I found it out and he said its as correct... He is a detective here in Texas and valedictorian of his academy..... Just had to say that cause it makes a dad proud.!!!

Also I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database....and none big enough to hold it all if there was. He claims there are about 300 to 350 million guns floating around. He did say that if they needed to trace a gun they had to do it as I stated above. In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.
He also said the end retailer had to keep the records for 20yrs. then they shred them. If they do keep one where you live. Come on down here to Texas....Lots of room, great hunting and fishing.....

[Mills]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. I ran this info by my son when I found it out and he said its as correct... He is a detective here in Texas and valedictorian of his academy..... Just had to say that cause it makes a dad proud.!!!

Also I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database....and none big enough to hold it all if there was. He claims there are about 300 to 350 million guns floating around. He did say that if they needed to trace a gun they had to do it as I stated above. In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.

That is good to know. Congratulations on your son!

[Kirk Mckinney]

Thanks...yeah I am proud of all 3 of my sons...as I'm sure everyone with a son or daughter is.


See you in the field!!!

Besides here in Texas it would be a mess if they tried to take peoples guns.....cause even the mailman is packing lol...There are little old ladies reloading magnum loads in their garages..... Going to the gun range is something else. If you can find parking.

[Kensal Rise]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

... I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database.... In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.
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Well. If the ATF said so...
That should end all the paranoia. Or Not:

[Mills]

ATF . . . .

[Paul Harm]

Bruce, you could have done better than " zealot ". When it comes to the 2nd Amendment, I'll wear that title proudly. The guys at the club will get a kick out of that new title seeing how they have lots of different names for me, none that I can say here. And now I can say we finally agree on something - thank you for the compliment.

[Dean Romig]

Well Kirk, a lot of things are against the law... like transmitting emails containing top secret information on a personal certain phone using a personal server with and then lying to the FBI about it.





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[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. ...

he said there is no national database.....

i expect Dean knows his facts- having lived and collected in Mass for - well at least a few years

he did not say it was a national database _ but a state one - the concept will spread

[Opening Day]

Originally Posted by Rick Losey

i expect Dean knows his facts- having lived and collected in Mass for - well at least a few years

he did not say it was a national database _ but a state one - the concept will spread

It certainly will, and when HC gets elected everyone better dive for cover.... It will be a hell of a lot more then a simple national database....!