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the Hogden site had several loads for 2.5. some with now defunct PB and 7625 but also Universal amd International clays. look at the 16 gauge site. there were some loads listed a while ago using 20/28, American Select, and i think Unique. and 7/8 will break anything as well as 1. i load 3/4 and 7/8 for clays et al. works just fine and is easy on my shoulder and my old LC.