California's New CC Ruling

[J.B. Books]

Once a mass shooting is committed by someone wielding a shotgun loaded up with buck shot and shooting people in close quarters those with an eye for gun control will look at us and our Parker shotguns. They won't care that ours are double barrels or antiques, they will be lumped in with all shotguns.

I believe the Germans hated the use of the Winchester M97 aka Trench gun, by the USMC in WWI they filed a diplomatic protest that it was an inhumane weapon of war. Kind of funny that came from the side who first used poison gas, but it showed how much they hated a Marine and his trench sweeper.

It was reported the M97 in slam fire mode with 00 buck would clear a trench faster than any of the full auto weapons of the time.

[10 bore]

look ,They want them all!

[Bruce Day]

We are in a public perception problem because of the support of some people for assault military style weapons, and now those people want everyone to support them.

No thanks. My old shotguns didn't cause the problem.

The solution is direct. If you feel that you must have one of these black guns for whatever reason , then work with the BATFE to create a subclass of weapons similar to the permitted fully automatic ones, where there are significant restrictions and fees for ownership. That system has so far been successful in keeping out the wackos. Maybe the NRA should spearhead that effort.

[Bruce Day]

Well Pete that's like the speeders saying to the non speeders to stand with them because speed limits will affect everybody.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

Well Pete that's like the speeders saying to the non speeders to stand with them because speed limits will affect everybody.

Your analogy is Red Herring and you know it, or at least you should. Driving on public roads is clearly a privilege granted by government. It is not an individual right defined and protected by the Constitution.

[10 bore]

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[Paul Harm]

Maybe some one person should take some time off and go to work for those wanting to disarm us and help write some new gun laws. This is absurd. First the AR's, then our pistols, then YOUR shotguns. The 2D Amendment says " not infringe". That isn't hard to understand. Or is it?

[J.B. Books]

In the meantime, in case none of you noticed, the Islamic terrorists have been winning the war on terror. Oh the military has been fighting them in the style of the last war but the enemy has made great gains, much more so than Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan. We have expanded the size and reach of our government, placed greater restrictions and inconveniences on the population, our government spying on the general population without specific cause as never before, we have people afraid to talk to the police about suspicious activity of their neighbors or coworkers because of fear of being called a racists and possible action taken against them for it, and now we have not just the general public, but gun owners suggesting restrictions on ownership and carry of firearms in spite of the fact we lived with the Bill or Rights and the 2nd Amendment for 240 years. Our enemies have and are continuing to change our way of life, restricting our freedoms and many in this country go along with it willingly. Sad.

[Setter Man]

I just have a hard time imagining Hancock, Jefferson, et. reacting to the shootings that involved AR-type firearms, especially Newtown, and thinking an unrestricted right to own these weapons is exactly what we envisioned.

[Paul Harm]

Well, this thread got me to thinking. In the past I've let a shotgun out of the safe, next to loaded shells. None of them have ever gotten up, loaded their self and went looking to shoot someone. So just to see, I took one of my AR's out of the safe and set it next to a loaded clip, and went back upstairs. I'll be damn. That butt ugly AR loaded the clip, racked a shell in the chamber, and was creeping up the stairs. Never again. Now I know, AR's are a problem.
What we envisioned back then was the citizen was the military and everyone had the same type of weapon. What was envisioned was that armed citizens would keep the government honest. That is the reason for the 2nd Amendment - to keep the government honest - not to shoot SxS's, not to hunt or shoot clays, or paper targets. The founding fathers must be turning over in their graves every time another gun law is enacted or ask for one to be enacted. Wake up and read some history.