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them old fox are a devil to skin and if you fry him and try eatin him you need good choppers to bite him with...best to put him in the crock pot for several hours....well i decided to hunt with my old 3 frame 12 thursday..it was a toss up between the d grade 20 with damascus barrels 28 inch bored improved cly.and full....decided since all the leaves are still on i had better use the 12 ga with no 5 shot 1 1/4 ounce ....charlie