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Okay, now im gonna hit the turkey for another reason. Tried to ring the tubes (4weight btw), got a thud.....looked closer.....did some tapping around, and inexplicably about 2" of rib is loose starting about 4" back from the business end......i dont kick dogs (especially my Vizsla's), but Lord protect any cat standing around the front door when i walk in this evening!! Still happy......but not as much..