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Yup, the Herter, Remington Game Loads and similar 2 1/2 dram equivalent, 1 ounce loads will kill anything that we are allowed to shoot at with plumbum. I haven't bought the Remingtons for a while, but the last time I paid about $50.00 a flat plus sales tax. If I want boutique light or short loads, I will buy from RST at the shoots where shipping is not an issue. Thanks for the information on these other brands.