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Rog, Pete is about a year and a half. He came from a hard core trialer who felt he worked too close; just what I was looking for. He will go out to about 150-200 yards mostly and he finds and holds birds. He needs finishing; but, with work and maturity, I think he will be ok. Retrieving isn't yet his game, but I think with a little fun work (I'll start with a glove) I don't think he'll require force breaking for my needs.