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Unread 02-19-2010, 07:18 PM   #1
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There was lots of discussion here about how could Julia's be offering a lost gun for sale, should have been returned, no clear title, etc, etc, and of course Julia's put all that discussion to bed with a sentence or two and guaranteed to cover any title issues, as one would expect.

Good Luck collecting on that guarantee... Didn't help me....
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Default I'll second that Eric--

If you end up with the supposed TNB Becker/AH Fox/Bo-Whooper, and I'm predicting that some lucky bidder will end up writing a check for $350,000.00 to get that storied gun, you only have the assurance of Mr. Julia & Co. to back up its authenticity. It begs the question, IMO anyway, as Mr. B went to that great Beaver Dam in the sky in March 1971. Wonder if Mr. Julia has ever suggested to Mr. Puglisi to invest in sand pounding gear? Huumm.

I don't care what their Wes Dillon says about it being the "Real Deal" all these years whereabouts unknown raise a big cloud of suspicion for me. "Doubting Thomas" from the Bible should have been made a Saint, as I buy into his mantra 110% when it comes to my dinero on the line. Not to worry lads, I have the chance of a ice cream cone in Hades of playing in that big buck league. Man has to know his limitations, including disposable dinero!!
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I dunno...Bo-Whoop has been inspected and reinspected and re re inspected by some of the most knowledgable people in the doublegun industry and also by some very very knowledgable Fox collectors and has been deemed authentic. I don,t think it will bring the $ the "Czars" gun brought but ya never know. When the gavel falls...end of story...
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Default I will accept your viewpoint gladly Dave-

Easy for me to say of course, as I am nowhere in the "chips" for that item, which may well leave the Czar's A1-Special 12 "in the dust"--A lot fewer AH Fox guns made than Parkers, LC Smiths and Ithacas- regardless of grade, gauge, place of mfg. etc. So the scarcity of those big Becker "Barrels Not Guaranteed" HE 12 Magnums will also affect market price point.

Just for the "hay" of it, wonder if Fox might have sold more in both 12 and 20 bore if they had NOT put that possibly ill-advised stamping on the flats- My understanding is, it referred to pattern %, not the bursting point of the barrels with stout loads being fired.

I also meant to support Brother Eis- Julia's should have returned his $ NQA if the barrels on his 16 DHE Damascus (or Titanic Steel) either way were not properly represented or gauged by a knowledgeable employee at Julia's prior to being offered for sale. To "dodge or duck" on such a transaction is shortsighted, IMO- but I share what I understood Eric's "frustrations" may have been regarding that transaction. Another reason why I only buy shotguns or rifles from private parties I know personally, NOT on line auction sites or Julia's or Amoskeeg or RIA-- ain't my "bag" I'd guess!
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Let us not forget that about two years ago, Parker Pages carried a photograph of a very youthful Lawrence Del Grego, and a thirty ish Babe DelGrego, holding two Parker Invincibles.
At the time when those photos were taken, the printed media considered the Invincibles "lost" or "imaginary".

I realize Parker Pages is print media; but I refuse to join the mainstream.

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I think the real issue here is who is the rightful owner-s of the gun. It doesn't look like it belongs to anyone but the family of the Buckingham's. Looks like a few people are going to make a sizable sum on gun that belongs to someone else. It's not like his name wasn't on it.
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Robert: If you read the full narrative in the description of the gun in Julia's catalogue it appears that the matter of ownership has been settled both with Nash's heirs and with the insurance company. However, if I were purchasing the gun I believe that I would secure a Lloyd's policy to cover ownership.

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