ray you will like the red dot load of 19 grains and the 1 1/8 ounce of lead.. ray i used the winchester and federal hulls cut to 2 7/8 inch used a winchester 209 primer 19 grains of red dot a sp 10 ga 1 5/8 ounce wad..now you will have to kinda play with a filler over the lead you can use various things a dried pea a grain of corn some people use rice krispies me i use a little toilet paper..this will make your crimp come out rite...i use a 6 point crimp on these loads or you can use roll crimp if you want to but then you will need a over shot card to make things look good..you will have to play around with the filler first few shells to get a nice crimp fold or roll crimp but want take you long to figure it out and make some nice looking crimps.. good luckand heh you can just use thick card wards over the powder i forget how many at the moment but you get good patterns even with no plastic wadding used...charlie
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