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shot some of the red dot loads they pattern very well..the red dot powder works very well with 19 grains...i too shot the 22 grain load it would be fine with the 1 1/4 ounce load i think it would be deadly on early squirls where you have to shoot through dense foilage early in season...but the 22 grain is more than most people would want if shooting a lot of targets in a day... charlie