NO LEAD, NO POWDER AVAILABLE

[Harold Pickens]

Went to pick up some 20/28 for someone at a gunstore that has always had alot of it in stock since this whole issue started, and you guessed it , they were out and didnt know when more would come in. They seemingly had lots of rifle/pistol powders but no shotgun powders.
Win 209 primers were $49/brick, but I picked up a brick of Fed 209A primers for $27. I know these are hotter than the W209's I currently use, but hope to find some low pressure loads I can use the in, in 12, 16, or 20 ga. Since most of the low pressure loads I use are on the "wimpy" side, will it really make that much difference?

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Harold Lee Pickens

Went to pick up some 20/28 for someone at a gunstore that has always had alot of it in stock since this whole issue started, and you guessed it , they were out and didnt know when more would come in. They seemingly had lots of rifle/pistol powders but no shotgun powders.
Win 209 primers were $49/brick, but I picked up a brick of Fed 209A primers for $27. I know these are hotter than the W209's I currently use, but hope to find some low pressure loads I can use the in, in 12, 16, or 20 ga. Since most of the low pressure loads I use are on the "wimpy" side, will it really make that much difference?

Primer substitution can ramp up pressure by over 3000 psi all else being equal. Tread carefully.

http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

[Big D]

Harold - Check out Tom Armbrust's primer comparison:


http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

[Harold Pickens]

Thanks guys, I will find a suitable safe load or trade them off to some trapshooters.

[Pa SxS]

If you can buy Fed 209A's for $27 per brick, buy a couple of sleeves. For 12ga using Clays or Clay Dot and straight wall hulls, there are many low pressure recipes to choose from.

[Harold Pickens]

I found some nice low pressure loads in 12 ga AA and Rems, 7625 and PB, using the Fed 209A in an IMR loading guide--also in Fed hulls, which I dont have any. I've got 2 lbs each of 7625 and PB, so I am set--think I'll go out and buy the rest of their Fed209A stock.

[George Lang]

The latest thing we should be concerned about is that the EPA wants to amend the clean water act to include "ALL WATER" in the US including that on private lands. It will include ponds, streams, washes (seasonal or otherwise) and runoffs etc. The proposal is out for public comments right now. Go to EPA website to view and or comment. Wow no guns, no ammo, and now no water. Guess the first 2 are so we can't fight the 3rd.

[Kensal Rise]

Hmmm.... "All Water"???

That includes ALL land. And to "protect" that land, you will NOT be able to use lead shot for grouse, pheasant, dove, quail, rabbits --- or target shooting.

They don't need to ban guns. They just need to "back-door ban" the means by which they are employed (effective ammunition). Result: You are left with a safe full of curios. Expensive. useless curios.

I apologize if this seems political. But I'm just responding to a post...

[J.B. Books]

This info comes from the NRA-ILA, Operation Choke Point, a Dept of Justice Initiative that attempts to shut down many categories of legitimate business' including ammunition and firearm sales (see page 9 of the second link). I am sure this has nothing to do with the current lack of smokeless powder or 22 rimfire on dealer shelves.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/ar...hyxiation.aspx

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...oke-Point1.pdf

[Dean Romig]

Who would ever have guessed.... it could happen right here