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Edgar, both sizes of frame and both gauges have either size of stock and butt. My 12 gauge DHE half frame has a zero or less size butt and I have a DHE #1 frame 16 with a zero or less size butt. I had a 28" VH zero frame 16 with a #1 size stock and butt, but it still only weighed six pounds, four ounces.
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