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Thanks, Dean and others.....The "Parker" butt plate did not seem right....have sent request for research letter to PGCA for the 12 (1 1/2 frame) and my 20 (0 frame)....Strongly suspect 12 was delivered with recoil pad installed.....We shall see.........will likely go with silvers pad...period correct and I like the old fashioned look of the "solid" red pad... Thanks .......... Pat