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Look at my very first post on this thread. There are photos of the patterns. The reason I loaded 12s to start with was to shoot the 1 1/4 ounce in my 10s with GaugeMates, or 12s if I wanted to. I never got around to shooting the shells in my 10 but shot them in three different 12s with killing patterns at 40 yards, and even one ounce in the 20.