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Dave and All, I have done alot of testing with different loads using spreader inserts from Poly-Wad in both 12 and 16 gauge. The speed of the load is criticial to good patterns. I have shot thousands of my 16 gauge loads and they pattern great and against most beliefs they will reach out there. Just ask Dean and Larry....
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