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Wayne, I have 3 original 8 ga. shells and they all mic 0.922-0.926 at the base. I have the John millar setup to swage the base of the industrial hulls to about 0.917. I'd be willing to sell some of my shells for $1.25 for the remington, or $1 each for win. I agree with Daryl, an overshot wad works fine for light loads