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fellas i was wrong in calling them batter pliers....my son informed me the pliers are really a set of plumber crimping tool for some kinda pipe they use...ive always thought they were battery pliars...well sorry for the mistake in names but i will find the proper name for them and post...will try a picture of them tonite...just done a hull in 15 secounds but i was hustling...with a lille bit of more tweaking these pliers can do what the dyes do in as short of time... charlie
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