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king i bet a 5 or6 shot would be like shooting lead bbs at them passing ducks it would be like shooting 22 s thru them....i just tried the fac againand it says failed....it may be my old computer.....from some where i just got a email stateing that rogers sporting good store has the 20 ga in stock at the moment...i tried to get on their site but failed at this too...and ive never been on rogers site before....its a rainey day here....charlie