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Charlie reason I left Red Dot off the cheat sheet is it's same position as TiteWad on the quickness chart. I can't find any low pressure 20 gauge recommended loads for TiteWad, which I have plenty of. Emailed Hodgen looking for Titewad loads no response. Never loaded the 20 but hear it needs slower powder than 12 gauge low preassure shells. If I am thinking about it wrong let me know.