yep black powder is a pain and the black porer substitute aint much better...best bore cleaner or brush i would call it was given to me many years ago..it looks like a bottle brush for sure kinda looks like a christmas tree in away its made of nylon bristles thatstarts little at the top and goes to about 1 1/2 inches at the big end....only thing the rods not long enough for a long barrel you have to run the brush thru both ends...this thing will clean from the 8 ga down to 20 ga with out a lot of effort and believe me smokless loads are a cynch toclean...its the only brush like it i ve ever seen...i dont think it was built to clean gun barrels but its the best bore cleaner ive ever seen..it might even fit a 410 but ive never tried it...someday i might take a picture of it if anybodys interested in seeing it.... charlie
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