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Unread 10-14-2012, 08:14 PM   #1
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went to a gun show today at TUPELO MISS.saw several guns i would like to have had but will only comment on parkers ..ther was only 4 parkers at the show no one was ag grade parker asking price of 1200 2nd gun was a g grade 12 ga hammerless price 1600 3 rd gun a nice vh 20 ga 28 inch barrel not a show piece but a nice unmolested gun at 1600 4 th gun this gun caught my attention a dhe 12 ga 30 inch barrels titanic steel barrels that looked good in all respects english straight stock may have been restocked or refinished nice anyway also had what may have been a miller single trigger there was a little half round botton to the left side of the safety for selecting the barrel left or right.never seen this little switch before...the trigger guard was redone barrels had good bluing ribs were tight on face good.no looseness anywhere.the dealer said it shot well...best for last the price was 1250..this is dirt cheap in my book for such a gun forgot no case colors .. i got the serial no could anyone help me with it.. n108661 dont know what that n means but its there... as anybody got a picture of a miller single trigger.. charlie
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Miller single trigger --

http://www.millersingletrigger.com/Gallery.php

for 108661 the book says grade3 Titanic no extras capped pistol grip 12 bore 30 inch
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thanks for the pictures and info...evedently the stock has been changed and the trigger is not like any of the miller triggers shown..the trigger itself ilooks to be miller but the selector switch is on top left hand side of tang...theres only one dog in the engraving so must be a early d grade..has anybody seen a selector switch on the left side of the tang its up close to where barrels and reciever meet...and any body take a stab at what the n stands for in front of the serial no...wish i had pictures but i dont... charlie
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Charlie,

You must be referring to the serial number on the trigger guard. If so, there is a capital N and there may or may not be a small o for Number XXXXXX, from what I know.
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Charlie: For goodness sake, an unmolested 12 bore DHE for $1,250! Go buy it!

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It sounds to me like the gun in question has the Infallible Single Trigger from Lancaster Arms Co.

Alfred Harvey Worrest – Infallible Single Trigger – Lancaster Arms Co

From researching and studying Alfred’s patents it appears that Alfred took an interest in, and began designing his Single Trigger mechanism around 1900 to 1904. His first patent no. 829,453 was issued on Aug. 28, 1906. His application for that patent was filed on May 3, 1904. It is a complex mechanism built into an L. C. Smith shotgun. It shows that he probably had some experience working professionally as a gunsmith because he completely redesigned the L. C. Smith locks, and his trigger mechanism was built as part of the receiver and locks, and not just an added unit. This design had a problem in that it required a large amount of wood to be removed between and at the back of the locks, weakening an already heavily inletted stock head. The gun with this trigger was also probably very difficult and tricky to assemble. This design shows his concept of the switching block which was the foundation of all of his patents that followed, and was a major feature of the highly dependable and successful “Infallible” trigger. Alfred’s second patent no. 871,550 was applied for on Aug. 10, 1906, just 18 days before his previous patent was issued. That patent was issued on Nov. 19, 1907 and the design was built around a “Minier” model Ithaca Gun Co. double. This triggers design had been changed drastically from the previous one removing many of its faults and problems, and the unit was built onto the guns trigger plate. All of the elements of the “Infallible” trigger are found in this design, but it was not a self contained unit. With this refined design it appears that Alfred began planning on making it’s production a commercial venture. The 1912 edition of the History of Lancaster, Pennsylvania states that the Lancaster Arms Co. who were the manufacturers of the Infallible Single Trigger, had been established two years earlier and was owned and operated by A. H. Worrest. The business was located at 126 E. King St. and the article goes on to state that it was a “well known and prosperous enterprise, his plant is perfectly appointed throughout, and the finest and best class of work is executed”. This not only included the manufacture of the trigger units, but also all kinds of fire arms repairs, and some complete doubles appear with the Lancaster Arms Co. name, but it is unknown if these were made by them, or imported by them and their name added to them prior to their sale. The article goes on to state that Mr. A. H. Worrest “is a gentleman of large experience in this line of industry and thoroughly understands its every detail”.
Following this patent with the next two can be a bit confusing. On June 25, 1909 he applied for another patent which was issued on June 18, 1912 as no. 1,029,781. Then on July 23, 1910 he applied for his fourth patent which was issued on Jan. 2, 1912 as no. 1,013,254. Patent no. 1,013,254 covered improvements to no. 1,029,781 which had not even been issued yet. Looking back you could say that this is a case of the “chicken preceding the egg”. Both of these patents developed the trigger mechanism into a self contained unit.
On Oct. 16, 1911 Alfred applied for his last trigger patent no. 1,029,782 which was also issued on June 18, 1912 and covers additional improvements which brought it to its final form as it was produced. (the above from Larry B Schuknect's book on double gun patents)

I have seen a 1913-vintage Parker Bros. Walter King letter to a customer where he says "As to your request we have removed our infallible single trigger, and installed the double trigger system."

Here is a picture from a Lancaster Arms Co. catalogue --

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All of my Infallible triggers from Lancaster Arms have worked without fail. I'm glad you got the fellow's contact information so you can buy the gun.
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Hence the name?
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From the data presented I think I would have bought the DHE in a heartbeat. I have been stung before (not too badly) but I think the price was beyond reasonable. The 20 didn't sound too off the chart as well.
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the trigger and selector is like the one pictured here it must be a infallable trigger...yep the gun was worth the money alrite i just was not totin that much cash on me and the 20 ga was worth the money too...i really liked were they placed the selector on the gun on top..gonna call the fellow tommorrow.... charlie
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