Purchase this gun?

Old Leadshot · 02-20-2012, 07:48 PM

Hello everyone,
I am new to Parker guns and would like opinions on this gun before I deciide If I should purchase it. This is an 1887 hammer gun, with mirror bores, serial #51179, 30" 12 guage twist barrells, #1 frame and I believe 4 lb barrells. There is a slight wobble in the lockup, but so slight I missed it the first time checking out the gun. the barrells ring like a bell.
Pictures of this gun are in my album on this site entitled "considering this parker" In your opinion, what would be a fair price for this gun?

Bill Murphy · 02-20-2012, 08:19 PM

A lot depends on the bore diameter and wall thickness. The gun appears like an average example in the poor pictures. The bore diameter in that era should be about .745 or a bit less. Four pound barrels should be in the thirties for wall thickness.

Old Leadshot · 02-20-2012, 08:26 PM

Did the best I could with the pictures, a difficult thing to do with the overhead lighting in the store. guess it will be another trip for the required measurements of the bore and wall thicknessw This is a learning experience, thanks for the info.

winplumber · 02-20-2012, 08:27 PM

Well its not in the book. I see no pattern on the barrels have they been blued ? If so be very careful .Have you taken a barrel wall thickness ? Mirror bores on a 0 grade may mean honing which may make it a true wall hanger . Did you weigh the barrels or go buy the weight on the barrels ?

Old Leadshot · 02-20-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Huffman

Well its not in the book. I see no pattern on the barrels have they been blued ? If so be very careful .Have you taken a barrel wall thickness ? Mirror bores on a 0 grade may mean honing which may make it a true wall hanger .

Thought I had mentioned it. Yes they are blued barrells however the barrells ring like a bell. Is there something else to look out for if they are blued? To my untrained eye, I do not see any sepreation in the rib if it was hot blued. Looking at the picture comparisons on the Tech page I put this as a #1 gun. I know the detail is poor in the pictures but they were taken in the store under very bad lighting for camera work.

Dean Romig · 02-20-2012, 09:49 PM

It is Grade-0 and I don't see keels beneath the ribs which is usually an indication of cut barrels. Seems to be in average condition given its age and grade.
The barrels make the gun so be darn sure the barrel walls aren't too thin and that there is at least some choke remaining... depending on what you hope to shoot with it it may not have enough choke.
Be careful what you pay for it.

Old Leadshot · 02-20-2012, 11:23 PM

What am I missing? How do you tell a 0 from a 1 grade? I am going by the pictures on this site of the different grades. I know it does not show up in the posted pictures, but there is a leaf or floral design around the side plate screws as well as one on the top barrell rib near the receiver or on it, just dont recall. i know it is tough to judge because of the pictures, but what would a gun be worth in this condition if the chokes and barrell wall thickness are all right? Or maybe I should just let it be untill I learn more about the parkers. thanks for the help

winplumber · 02-21-2012, 05:05 AM

OK, from the pictures and nothing else $ 475.00 and I would not buy it from the pictures for that,now what do they want ? If the barrels are cut wait for another gun . IMHO. I just checked there is surviving records for this gun so a letter can be gotten for this gun and clear alot up for you /us $100.00 none member $40.00 PGCA member maybe a good investment

Old Leadshot · 02-21-2012, 09:53 AM

Thanks, that is what I wanted was a ball park figure. Too bad I cannot get better pictures to post. They are asking $800 but not knowing what exactly to look for in a parker, or what is a fair price for the condition of the gun, I have no clue. I learned something from these few posts and that is more valuable than making a mistake and learning the hard way. (getting tired of doing that) So a special thanks to all who posted.

Bill Murphy · 02-21-2012, 10:40 AM

$800 usually buys a pretty good gun, without any problems, for an experienced Parker collector. The pictured gun may not be of any interest to such an experienced collector if it has any obvious problem.