2025 National Championship

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by John Davis

I didn’t know them. I suspect they were running American Field. I have always been involved in AKC. Mostly pointers and setters in AF. Much bigger running dogs. AKC is for gun dogs. Work a little closer but must still be steady to wing and shot. And must demonstrate they will retrieve to hand. The dreaded callback, which 99% of time is a cluster.

Smith Setters if my memory is correct were mostly AF Shooting Dog Stakes not Open All Age like at the Nationals .

[BRDHNTR]

I grew up going to field trials at the Foss Farm in Carlisle, Mass. We stayed on the Foss Farm with the Foss family. Those were the years!

[Big D]

Field trial Springers make great hunting dogs

[William Woods]

I hunted all my NSTRA dogs that I trialed with. The NSTRA trials most closely resemble actual hunting. Dogs must point, back, retrieve, handle, and cover the ground well. Handlers must be afoot, with judges on a horse or four wheeler. I seldom saw a judge use a horse. I have heard of some people that said that their NSTRA trials were held on five acre fields. I have never heard, or seen anything like that. I started NSTRA trialing to give my dogs more bird work.

[mobirdhunter]

William, out here in the hinterlands, shoot to retrieve — NSTRA — trials were, in my (I’m sure biased) opinion, the lower form of field trial. Guys would nearly run to points (running not allowed)and they knew that if they got one good retrieve, they could pull out their bag of tricks to play the system and keep their dogs from being penalized for poor retrieves. I only participated in one trial and refused to participate again. It’s good to know that my experiences were not universal.

Ever participate in the National Birdhunter trials?

[John Davis]

The idea of judging from anything other than a horse is blasphemous.

[6pt-Sika]

Yep AF trials and steeplechase horse races were the hobbies of the genteel southern gentleman

[John Davis]

A judges job is to observe and evaluate. The dogs run is a critical part of this, as well as being steady to wing and shot, and backing when the opportunity arises. You CAN NOT adequately observe or evaluate a Field Trial dog's performance from the eye level of a golf cart or four wheeler. This can ONLY be done from the back of a horse. If you've ever competed in a walking trial, you know the judge on horse back often sees your dog when you can't and has a much better vantage point. The AKC kicked around the idea of allowing pointing dog trials to be judged from golf carts, etc. The concern being that it was becoming too difficult to find judges with horses. The concept was roundly rejected. They do allow judging from vehicles in Hunt Tests.

[Reggie B]

Congratulations to the 2025 National Champion Erin's Perfect Storm. Ran in the 1st brace on day 1 and had 7 finds.

[William Woods]

Originally Posted by Garry L Gordon

William, out here in the hinterlands, shoot to retrieve — NSTRA — trials were, in my (I’m sure biased) opinion, the lower form of field trial. Guys would nearly run to points (running not allowed)and they knew that if they got one good retrieve, they could pull out their bag of tricks to play the system and keep their dogs from being penalized for poor retrieves. I only participated in one trial and refused to participate again. It’s good to know that my experiences were not universal.

Ever participate in the National Birdhunter trials?

Mr. Gordon, No, I never participated in the National Bird Hunters trials. I witnessed a couple around my area, but had the same feeling you did of the NSTRA trials.