Connecticut Fox shotguns

[Terry Hobson]

Well I don’t view “copying it” In a negative or derogatory way. How many companies “copied” 1911 hand guns, the A-5 and others were made by FN then Miroku, I believe Roy Weatherby had his rifles/actions manufactured by different firms but it still was a Weatherby gun.

I believe Tony came to some sort of agreement with savage when he started producing them. I also think you can or could order a new Parker through Remington, but CSMC would build it.

The lines get sort of blurry with this stuff. I am content to view my CSMC gun as a Fox in every sense of the word.

[Bill Murphy]

Harry, CSMC is building AAHE grade Parkers as we speak and has one offered on Guns International. I have no idea how these guns are built. All the mentioned guns are being sold for high prices, so they must have something to offer. I can't afford a CSMC Fox but I do own and shoot a CSMC Model 21 .22 rifle that I enjoy owning and shooting. Now there is a gun worth discussing. I think Tony has quit making them, at least for now.

[Pay Dirt]

Originally Posted by Harry Gietler

Bill, I know and said CSM-Guns are Good Guns, I SAID CSM Fox Guns are not original FOX-GUNS! Harry

'Cause of the big one, right

[stumpstalker]

There has arisen on this thread a debate that has followed John’s initial inquiry about the mechanics, engraving, and value of the CSMC Fox guns. The discussion, however digressive, as been illuminating and I have been informed by it. Notable is that at no point has anyone imputed anything but quality to the New Britain Fox guns.

Whatever the iteration under consideration, the following quote, although originally written about a very different kind of object, could be applied to all of the guns being discussed, new or old:

“In these times of hype, of put-on, of illusion and of delusion, how we yearn for something genuine, for the real thing, for a tangible, living symbol that there is continuity, that what came before us and what is now and what may lie ahead are not all smoke and mirrors!”

-- Joseph E. Garland (1922-2011), Gloucester, Massachusetts journalist and historian

[George "Scott" Davis]

A. H. Fox shotguns in my opinion are the "best" value today in the American side by side market. You can find a original in good condition for a reasonable price and recently someone posted series of pictures of an upgrade project on a Fox. Additional CSMC will make you a brand new Fox so for us in who enjoying shooting our FOXES we all win.

[Bill Murphy]

There has been discussion that some CSMC Foxes were made with cast frames rather than forged steel frames. What is the deal with that? If there are cast frames, is there a problem with them and how do we identify them?

[Terry Hobson]

Yes, when I did the plant tour in 94 I remember discussing the frames. They were investment cast, I remember seeing a bin of them. I think that is the same method used for the ruger red label. At any rate I haven’t had any problems due to this on my gun.
I believe they are now from forgeings. I don’t know what the practical differences would be.

[Bill Murphy]

I wonder when the cast receivers were made and can they be identified by serial number?

[Bob Jurewicz]

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