shotgun shell ?

[J.B. Books]

First let me say I reload, therefore I am in total control and I like that. I shoot low to moderate pressure loads. If you want to shoot old guns you should really look into reloading if you don't already. It opens up a whole new world.

The amount of recoil and thus stress placed on your stock will be a significant increase over a mild 1 1/4 ounce load pushed at 1220 fps.

The Fiocchi loads you cited will generate almost 24% percent more ft lbs energy in recoil in a 7 3/4 pound gun, 31.66lbs vs 25.65 pounds.

Let those wonderful Parker chokes do the work, you don't need to shoot baby magnums through a Parker.

PS. If you were to put the two loads on the pattern board you may find there is no signifcant difference in the patterns at 40 yards. The lighter load pushed at slower velocity has fewer deformed pellets due to barrel scrub and crushing in the shot column. The advantage to those baby mags is minimal. Especially if you go out and buy the nickle plated shot to reload with vs. magnum or chilled lead.

PPS. BTW I am not a Parker expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once and put a Parker shotgun under the bed.

[Old and Reliable]

Originally Posted by Pete Lester

First let me say I reload, therefore I am in total control and I like that. I shoot low to moderate pressure loads. If you want to shoot old guns you should really look into reloading if you don't already. It opens up a whole new world.

The amount of recoil and thus stress placed on your stock will be a significant increase over a mild 1 1/4 ounce load pushed at 1220 fps.

The Fiocchi loads you cited will generate almost 24% percent ft lbs energy in recoil in a 7 3/4 pound gun, 31.66lbs vs 25.65 pounds.

Let those wonderful Parker chokes do the work, you don't need to shoot baby magnums through a Parker.

PS. If you were to put the two loads on the pattern board you may find there is no signifcant difference in the patterns at 40 yards. The lighter load pushed at slower velocity has fewer deformed pellets due to barrel scrub and crushing in the shot column. The advantage to those baby mags is minimal. Especially if you go out and buy the nickle plated shot to reload with vs. magnum or chilled lead.

PPS. BTW I am not a Parker expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once and put a Parker shotgun under the bed.

Hey, besides a GHE 10 ( 2& 7/8" std. not 3.5" mag) 32" Goose gun, after reading your closing, maybe I can also wish for a night at a Holiday Inn with a Parker under the bed and Sarah Jessica Parker on the pillow next to me- sure beats a wrapped Mint every time!! Ho Ho Ho!!

[Bruce Day]

I know. So hard to decide. Sarah Jessica Parker or a Trojan, or a Trojan or Sarah Jessica. Maybe both?

[Richard Flanders]

A bit hard to read the bottom table that Dave posted but the middle one indicates that in 2-3/4" chambers loads of 10,500psi are ok. The middle one looks like it suggests 3-3/4 - 4 dram loads. Seems someone recently posted that the traditional 3-3/4dram, 1-1/4oz loads of recent yesteryear(50's-70's)are in the 10,500psi range. I've acquired a lot of those stout old loads the past couple of years and have shot them in stout and not so stout Parkers and my Daly and I can tell you they boot you good in the lighter guns, which is part of the reason I just purchased the #2 framed SG VH12 off Gunbroker. I really don't want to crack a stock on the lighter guns. Strangely enough, the Parker I worry the least about is my 1883 hammer gun with it's nice stout bbls and stock. I think it would even handle the old paper Super-X 2-3/4" 1-1/2 oz magnum 2's I picked up this fall, but I think they'll get passed on to Destry for use in his big #3 framed gun instead. Am I reading these posted load tables correctly??

[J.B. Books]

Are you guys on drugs? You would mix a good looking conservative well built Trojan with an ultra liberal gun grabbin hollywood siren?

Hell with the gun I can buy those, just have Santa bring me conservative Megyn Kelly of Fox news any day.

[Bruce Day]

Yes. Some are definitely stout, stouter than I like for my shoulder, but the gun was designed and built to take it. These guns are more capable than a lot of people give them credit for. I load down too, but I'm frustrated when we don't distinguish between choice and the fact of what the gun was made for.

[Bruce Day]

Sarah Jessica is for Francis to tame. Just talk to her, Francis.

[Richard Flanders]

"Some are definitely stout, stouter than I like for my shoulder, but the gun was designed and built to take it. These guns are more capable than a lot of people give them credit for. I load down too, but I'm frustrated when we don't distinguish between choice and the fact of what the gun was made for."

I agree Bruce. I don't worry as much about the gun other than the stock. My #1-1/2 and smaller frame guns have pretty slim grips. No way I'd put those stout 3-3/4 dram loads through my 1-frame 12ga damascus gun. That would hurt regardless of whether the gun would handle it.

[Bruce Day]

That's true, those light 12's can kick a lot. But there are a bunch of 12's out there with fairly thick wrists too. I saw one the other day that was built for a man with a way bigger than normal hand and a 15" LOP.

Years ago I passed up a genuine 6 1/2 lb VH 12ga 26" 1 frame ......4" DAH. Was interesting but I bet it kicked hard.

[Blind Dog]

Sure hope Pete didn't forget the Trojan under the bed when he checked out with SJP. I guess the poor housekeeper is used to dealing with that sort of thing.