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08-25-2016, 08:22 PM
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then i would expect it to be at least a 3 inch hull if its roll crimped
might look here http://www.headstamps.x10.mx/1901.html two of the 1901 No 12 Leader shells listed have the high brass with three rings high and one low and of course- any minute Dave the researcher will post the catalog page, a shell box and a picture of someone using them 
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Rick: Thanks the head stamp and primer indicates 1904-1919 according to the Winchester link. So it must be from the time period---very cool shell. It is roll crimped so is it a 3" shell or a 2 7/8" shell??
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the hull length is always measured uncrimped
new primed empty or fired that is why we trim our 10GA cases to 2 7/8 then load them
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It appears to have what I call the little primer (meaning the area the firing pin hits) same as some 20 and 28 gauge Winchester Repeater shells I had and it was my understanding they were made before 1910 .
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Your shell is from the same period as the gun, but is probably a 3-inch case. Actually old Researcher is thin on early Winchester ammunition paper. I'm much better with UMC & Rem-UMC, and Western.
That primer is likely the "New No. 4" --   which was in use from around 1904 until after WW-I. Winchester shotgun shells sold factory loaded had WINCHESTER on the headstamp, and those sold as NPEs had 1901, again until a bit after WW-I. The earlier primer would have been the No. 4 --  
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The primer reads new number 4, so it is a 3" shell handloaded?? (what does NPE mean??), in the time period of the CHE. Thanks everyone for the information!!
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Craig,
It is a 3" shell, almost certainly handloaded. What does the top wad say? Rather, what is printed on the top wad. ( I know top wads can't speak ). I have a number of those NPE's in my collection. NPE stands for " New Primed Empty ". |
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