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			The PGCA has no records whatsoever of that serial number. In fact, as stated earlier in this thread 1844 (probably a typo) is the earliest gun in the existing records. You’ll need to have the chambers and bores accurately measured in thousandths of an inch. . 
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			Take a ruler and hold it across the muzzle to measure the inside diameter.  If its around 3/4 " =/- 1/16  its probably a 12 ga.  If its closer to 5/8" its probably a 16 ga.  If you have more sophisticated measuring devices, the muzzle diameter of a full choke 12 ga. is usually around .700 and a 16 ga. around .635, ususally within 10 thousandths either way. FWIW
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			Grab some spent 12 and 16 hulls and start trying them on for size.
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			Hopefully this helps, I removed the forend and took a picture of two different areas that have markings/numbers, the serial on the receiver, and numbers under the forend. What I found interesting is the serial number under the forend is in the wood and matches the receiver but there is also another number in the metal.
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			The number on the barrel flat is the order number, not the serial number. . 
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			pics of the markings
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			Try taking other pictures. The only one in focus is the one in the wood. . 
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			Regardless what gauge it turns out to be, it appears to be in very nice condition, and very early.  As I recall, Jay Oliver has a couple of the earliest known. He’ll chime in here, I’m sure. | ||||||
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