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			Here's another Damascus-Twist pattern with an end-on ribband 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			![]() Steve Culver thinks the lopin was something like this, and that the "mushrooming" was from external hammering  
		
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	I agree. . 
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			Steve Culver’s interpretation makes a lot of sense. Thanks for making that clear.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			I would call: 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	1. The Rem is American Flag Bunting , a Damascus pattern. 2. The Parker G is Crolle, a Damascus pattern. 3. The Lefever is Twist, not Damascus at all. Nicely done refinishes. I appreciate composite barrels and regularly use such guns for target and hunting. Photos to follow of a Mod 1883 Colt shot gun with nice Damascus when the stock gets its final Brian Board mastery.  | 
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			Breck: I dug out my image from Charles Semmer's book of the labeled Remington damascus sample rod and you were correct; Remington called the pattern "Etoile (Star) 3. B.P.". Both it and "Washington N 3. B.P." were offered on the 1894 C grade. I corrected my post. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			5 Washington and Etoile variants in the Joseph Juleinond de Nessonvaux sample box ![]() As said, Ithaca called the pattern "American Flag" ![]() Baker called this pattern "Best London Damascus Twist" ![]() and some Ferlach and Liege makers called it "London". The lower sample is acid etched  
		
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			And just to make it more confusing, Bruce is correct that neither "Twist" nor "Damascus Twist" are twisted before being helically hammer welded on a mandrel, ie. not a "crolle" (curled) pattern 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...LxMESM3W0/edit 
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			There are many types of twist, ranging from stub twist, best twist and London twist. The plainest twist I have seen was the short lived Parker in house made twist. The high grades of twist are highly attractive in my opinion.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Found my images of Damascus Twist Parkers 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			1888 12g No. 0 toplever hammer gun with Damascus-Twist refinished by Dale Edmonds. Courtesy of David Purnell. ![]() No. 1 toplever hammergun refinished by Brad Bachelder  
		
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