The Short Ten - How many shooting one?

[Mike Franzen]

Originally Posted by wayne goerres

This may be a silly question but if your are checked by a game warden and you are shooting hand loads or brass cased shells how do they check to see if you are shooting bismuth shot. Do they take one of your shells apart.

If you have a receipt for the non-tox shot carry it along with your license and you may be ok

[Richard Flanders]

I've seen the older style detectors they use have issues with bismuth because they're designed just for steel and are just a magnetometer. The Canadian guys took my word for mine being bismuth handloads without taking a shell apart but some might want to dismantle one shell. Could be the newer generation detectors, if there are any, have kept up with the influx of newer and different non tox shot types. I've considered carrying a small vial or ziploc with some bismuth shot or KTM or whatever to educate wardens who are not familiar with it.

[10 bore]

. The Canadian guys took my word for mine being bismuth handloads without taking a shell apart but some might want to dismantle one shell.

With out a warrant? they better be sure the have "good cause" ? not sure how it works, that loaded shell is worth a lot to me in the field, 100's of dollars not just the 3.00 I have in it, scott

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Mills Morrison

Very nice Craig. Ten gauges are great guns and underrated

I suppose about eight months ago I won an auction on Gunbroker for what was supposed to be a rather rough DH 10 gauge hammerless of if memory serves about 1890 vintage . Anyway the UPS driver brings it to the shop , I open the box and the buttstock drops out not attached to the action . When I won the auction I knew the buttstock was incorrect . And beforehand I had asked the correct questions as the guys pics sucked and he told me he was 200% sure it was a DH blah blah blah . After the stock fell out I got the rest out to see where they busted the stock . And after looking at the metal it looked worlds better then the pics they had on GB . However the gun turned out to be a EH not a DH . Gun was bought as is no return . well I got on the horn with the fellow I bought it from text him some pics of the seriel number on the water table with the E marking etc etc packaged it up and sent it back as he agreed to refund any and all funds I had tied up in the whole fiasco . On hindsight I wish I had kept it and found another old stock to have fit to the gun .

After this deal I thought I had an NH bought but the shotgun Gods in the sky thought better of that deal as well .

I think I had 4 or 5 deals for Parker hammerless 10 gauge guns go south over the last couple years . Got to the point I thought I never would get one and to be honest I wasn't overly enthused about this hammer gun when I first laid hands on it . But after awhile it grew on me and with that being said I'll still need atleast one Parker hammerless 10 before I give up . Actually a pair would be better one on a #2 frame and the other on a #3 frame !

[6pt-Sika]

I was wondering last night did they make 10 gauge guns on the hammerless #1 action ?

And if so was this a common thing or relatively scarce ?

[Researcher]

A DH-Grade 1-frame 10-gauge visited our PGCA booth at The Vintage Cup at Orvis Sandanona a couple of years. It was fairly rough, but either Ron Kirby or Mark Conrad vetted it. Only one I've ever heard of.

[Dean Romig]

Dave, was the chamber length recorded on that 1-frame?

[Leighton Stallones]

Yes, I sometimes trim my cases to 2 3/4 however

[Researcher]

Dave, was the chamber length recorded on that 1-frame?

I don't recall. Perhaps Kevin McCormack or Bill Murphy remember.

[Bill Murphy]

We didn't measure the chambers on the #1 frame ten. I was afraid the chamber gauge would bust through the chamber walls. The chamber walls were very thin. The gun is in the Serialization Book, #71767, a 26" DH Grade. I've never seen another one.