Need help identifying a double gun.

Tennessee Dave · 08-13-2025, 05:51 PM

A local pawn shop has this gun as a Belgium made 16 gauge from an unknown maker. it has some nice engraving all over the receiver and also Damascus barrels. Here are a few pics, hopefully someone will know something about it.

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Mike Franzen · 08-13-2025, 05:58 PM

Nice looking gun.

Tennessee Dave · 08-13-2025, 06:03 PM

On the sides of the barrels is written: Amtlich mit rauchlosen pulver which i looked up and it means,officially with smokeless powder

Drew Hause · 08-13-2025, 06:52 PM

Belgian likely finished in Germany.
The max. load was only marked 1897 - 1903
2.39 gram powder = about 36 grains of "Schultze" which was a 42 grain = 3 Dram bulk smokeless powder SO that would be the standard 2 1/2 Dram load with 28 gm = 1 oz. shot

The L bore and muzzle dimensions in mm are marked. R only bore so the choke is less than .008".

The initials are likely the barrel maker but could be the gun maker. ?something J? Are there no initials on the action flats?

Likely 2 1/2" chambers.

Looks like a nice 3 Iron Damas Crolle with remarkable contrast for a 125 y/o gun.

Cocking indicators with a replacement screw in the top lever.

Tennessee Dave · 08-13-2025, 07:00 PM

Thanks Drew for all that info. For some reason I didn't take a picture of the action flats. Here's a partial pic.

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Drew Hause · 08-13-2025, 07:22 PM

One of the Janssen Brothers was Maurice if the initials are MJ.
https://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belg...nssen%20gb.htm
Janssen Freres and Fils were big tradename gun makers.

If you go back please check the action flats. Maybe chalk the initials on the barrels.

Tennessee Dave · 08-13-2025, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew Hause

One of the Janssen Brothers was Maurice if the initials are MJ.
https://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belg...nssen%20gb.htm
Janssen Freres and Fils were big tradename gun makers.

If you go back please check the action flats. Maybe chalk the initials on the barrels.

Looks like an NJ to me. If the gun is still there tomorrow I will get pictures of the receiver flats and the initials.

B. Dudley · 08-13-2025, 07:42 PM

Buy it. That is a lot of gun for the money. Unless it has some glaring issue.

Tennessee Dave · 08-13-2025, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Dudley

Buy it. That is a lot of gun for the money. Unless it has some glaring issue.

It' definitely not perfect. I did see that the splinter for end tip had been replaced with a hand made piece of aluminum or some other white metal and the butt plate didn't fit exactly so the stock may have been shortened or maybe a non factory butt plate.

Tennessee Dave · 08-14-2025, 02:34 PM

Just got back from the pawn shop with some more pictures. The shop owner looked at the initials closely under a bright light and magnifying glass and says he thought the initials are MJ. I took a picture of the receiver flats and there are interesting symbols that should tell more about the gun.

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