no 4 frame

charlie cleveland · 10-05-2009, 10:15 PM

i seen a no 4 frame size gun on the tube today it was a 10 ga weight 13 pounds 32 inch barrels it was a d grade gun also.i figured this is a fairly rare gun what do you guys think ps it was a parker brothers. thanks charlie

Bruce Day · 10-05-2009, 11:22 PM

I think I would mount such a cannon to a boat instead of a tube.

MarketHunter · 10-06-2009, 01:03 AM

I've only ever seen one other #4 frame 10 gauge, seems like most of them are on #3 which is a little light in my opinion. That's the frame I'd pick if I could order one new actually. A DHE 10 gauge magnum on a #4 frame, pistol grip, splinter forend, double triggers, 36 inch barrels.

Destry

Kevin McCormack · 10-06-2009, 07:04 PM

Destry, what happened at Mitchell's bay (if anything?). Inquiring minds want to know!

MarketHunter · 10-06-2009, 07:08 PM

Not much was happening so I didn't stop over on the way back. Michigan opens this weekend so I'm hunting locally. I probably won't start going to Canada steady until towards the end of the month when the bluebills start showing up.

DLH

Dollar Grade · 10-06-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie cleveland

i seen a no 4 frame size gun on the tube today it was a 10 ga weight 13 pounds 32 inch barrels it was a d grade gun also.i figured this is a fairly rare gun what do you guys think ps it was a parker brothers. thanks charlie

Is it a hammer or hammerless gun?? I have seen several hammer 4 frames but yet to see a hammerless. I think that Jack Puglisi has or had a couple of 4 frame hammer 10's. I do not believe his are/were in the 13 lb range. My 5 frame 32" hammer gun is only a mere 12 lbs... Anything with condition in a D grade is a nice find...

Kurt

Don Kaas · 10-07-2009, 09:41 AM

I hunted with a G grade (D2) top lever 10ga on a #4 frame for a number of years until I bought my fluid steel barreled #3 frame G toplever. The #4 frame weighed 12 lbs and was bored for 3 1/2" shells which it shot quite well.

Bill Murphy · 10-07-2009, 10:34 AM

#4 frame higher graded hammer guns were generally made at 11 pounds and were made for pigeons, not waterfowl. Later in the life of these guns, they were probably used more for waterfowl than pigeons. The "11 pound ten gauge" era in competitive pigeon shooting was a short one, generally ending in 1889 or 1890 when Parker Brothers provided their company sponsored shooters with the new hammerless guns, for a short time in ten gauge, soon after with twelve gauges. For whatever reason, probably a change in the rules of the game, the hammerless tens were not as heavy as the previous generation of pigeon guns, and the twelves complied with an even more restrictive weight rule. Our flyer expert, Don Kaas, can give us the particulars of the rule changes. Many of the PGCA letters on the 11 pound #4 frame top lever guns of Grade 3 and above will indicate a buyer whose name we may recognize as a competitive shooter, and some will show a substantial discount in price, indicating a shooter assisted by Parker Brothers.

charlie cleveland · 10-07-2009, 12:49 PM

sirs i apoligize for posting this gun wrong. it is a 6 frame gun instead of a 4 frame as i had posted it it is also a n grade instead of d grade it is a hammerless gun with damacus barrels but it did weigh 13 pounds .thats the weigh its stated. i still think this is a rare gun what do yall think. im sorry for posting this gun wrong will try to do better . thanks charlie

Don Kaas · 10-07-2009, 01:05 PM

#6 frame 10 gauges are "rare". If the barrels and bores are good with their chokes intact, the wood sound and the price is right, I'd buy it, if I were me (or you were me). My 36" DH 8 gauge is on a #6 frame as are most Parker 8 bores. A 32" #6 frame 10g is a hefty gat...to say the least.