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11-15-2014, 05:16 PM | #3 | ||||||
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There is a world of difference in ranges, circle sizes, sometimes a square target rather than round, amount of shot, size of shot as well as different brands of shot with differences in number of shot per ounce. These differences show up by the day as well as by the era. The most confusion takes place when one or more of the variables are left out completely. There are some examples of stock book pages in The Parker Story. A previous thread discussed different pattern information included in various stock book pages and hang tags.
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11-15-2014, 05:39 PM | #4 | ||||||
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I believe Bro. Bruce has posted this c. 1900 hang tag several times, and it has been repeated that 12g guns were patterned with 1 1/8 oz. 3 Dram Eq.
Turns out that 40 grains of DuPont Bulk Smokeless is 3 1/4 Dram Eq. For comparison, the 1933 edition of ”Smokeless Shotgun Powders” by Wallace Coxe and E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. reported the LUP pressure for 1 1/4 oz. 3 Dram Eq. of DuPont bulk smokeless at 9,600 psi. A 1963 George Herter Reloaders Handbook (courtesy of Mark Ouellette) lists 23 grains (3 1/4 Eq.) of Infallible, now Unique Dense Smokeless, with 1 1/8 oz. shot in a paper case with paper wads (card & fiber) at 8,725 psi by LUP. By modern piezoelectric transducers that would be more like 9,500 psi. And found this http://www.bidsquare.com/l/917/parke...nd-2-hang-tags 16g SN 98546 c. 1899 patterned with 1 oz. and 30 grains DuPont Bulk Smokeless 12g SN 71792 c. 1891 patterned with 1 1/4 oz. and 42 grains DuPont likely Black Powder
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11-15-2014, 10:17 PM | #5 | ||||||
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Check out the recently new post in the FAQ's. http://parkerguns.org/pages/faq/PatternTest.html
I'm guessing but Parker may have changed over to the 30" at 40 yards around the late 1890's or early 1900's. Maybe with the introduction of the hammerless guns. I'll see if I can narrow it down more. The problem is that most of our copies of the stock book are cut off right at the middle of the patterning info. I need to page through to find some that can be read. |
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11-16-2014, 05:31 PM | #6 | ||||||
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As an example, two twelve gauge guns in the 216,000 range, 210 numbers apart, one patterned with 1 1/8 ounces, one patterned with 1 1/4 ounces.
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10-16-2023, 05:12 AM | #7 | ||||||
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Is it possible the pattern test parameters were linked to the buyers order ?
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10-16-2023, 10:43 AM | #8 | ||||||
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Yes, that is very common. You want to shoot #4, they will give you #4 patterns.
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10-16-2023, 10:49 AM | #9 | ||||||
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By the way, Chuck, "They", the PGCA Research Committee, did not copy the stock books. Our good friend and The Parker Story author, Captain Roy Gunther copied the stock books.
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10-16-2023, 11:04 AM | #10 | ||||||
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I know the PGCA Research Committee wasn't involved but if Gunther did all that work without any outside help,, that was quite an achievement. He even took the time to edit hard to read entries in Red Ink which later turned out to be mistakes in many instances.
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