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Unread 01-25-2024, 10:25 PM   #1
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Hello, Trying to find out what I can about this old shotgun. From what I can tell it was made in 1875,grade5 with a frame size 4. 10 gauge. Is getting a factory letter worth it? Any idea of what it's worth?
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Sorry forgot to add, it is missing a firing pin and has an incorrect hammer screw.
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We’d love to see the engraved scene on the bottom of the frame. Looks like a large cat or canine attacking a deer??? We haven’t seen such engraving on a Parker until this, that I know if.
Parker No. 4560 is shown in the Grade column as a D which, as nearly as I can determine, indicates Damascus barrels and not necessarily a Grade 3 (D). The bolster sculpting is that of a Grade 3 gun but in that period grades had yet to be assigned, let alone a standardization of checkering, engraving, bolster and frame sculpting.
The subject gun actually lacks any group of grade-specific features but the lock plates have four pins behind the hammers which is specific to grade 3 and higher Parkers, however, the level of engraving of the lock plates is more often associated with later hammer guns of at least grade 4 and higher. The stock lacks the drop points common to grade 3 and higher.
It’s an enigma for sure and as the OP has stated, it could be the equivalent to the later Grade 5… or maybe a Grade 4. A research letter may show a grade but more likely will list only its dollar value.

Nice Parker by the way and certainly a good candidate for a quality and true-to-originality freshening.





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That appears overall to be a nice high grade Parker. It is a higher grade with some unique touches. According to the lookup, there are factory records for the gun. I would think it would be a very good idea to get a letter. It may not tell you much or it may reveal a lot. I often get letters just on guns I am considering for purchase.
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Here is a picture of the bottom of receiver.
I am going to order a letter but if you guys could help with a couple question on the form for me that would be great:
Grip Type: Capped Pistol Grip Straight Round Ball
Forend Type: Splinter Beavertail
Not sure which box to check for those and the butt plate is recoil pad correct?
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It is a straight grip.
Splinter forend.
Aftermarker (non-Parker Bros.) hard rubber or gutta percha buttplate.

Thanks for the better picture - So it's a hound attacking a buck.... very interesting.

Now, what's that scene on the trigger guard?



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Thanks for the better picture - So it's a hound attacking a buck.... very interesting.

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Now I'm finding it rather intresting
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I’ll see if I can get a better pic of the trigger guard.
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Judging by the style and execution of the engraving and the year of manufacture as well as the higher grade, or dollar quality, of the gun I would say the engraving was done by Jacob Glahn who engraved most Parkers up to serial number 7,000.




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