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I've read both of their works extensively. Opposite ends of the spectrum for sure. Jack favored the 270 and Elmer thought a 375 H&H would make a good varmint round.
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09-17-2018, 01:21 PM | #4 | ||||||
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If you haven't read " Hell I Was There" well let's say it's a hell of a ride. You will not be disappointed.
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If I remeber correctly, that was the book where he described taking a Muley at over 200 yds, with an open sighted model 29 S&W.
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Rich I noticed your Hemingway quote in signature. Have you ever read Hunting with Hemingway. It was a book written by Hemingway's niece as story's retold by her dad Leicester. Good read with lots of bravado and almost outlandish recklessness. https://www.amazon.com/Hunting-Hemin.../dp/1565113845 All those Hemingway's off'd themselves. Rough. |
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No I haven't and thanks for the link. I need some new reading material.
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09-18-2018, 02:39 PM | #8 | ||||||
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Opposite ends of the spectrum for sure. I read them both as a boy but I was an O'Connor person through and through. My love of the .270 started as a boy from reading his books. He used it on elk and other large game with success. My early loading recepies came from his books and articles. He only used the 130 grain bullet. I loaded some with 150 grain handloads and found them deficient from an accuracy perspective. Keith said anyone who hunted elk or moose with a .270 was a fool. I disagree. I have killed many moose with the .270 with 130 grain handloads and they don't go far after being hit. I have read that the acrimony between O'Connor and Keith was real.
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09-17-2018, 09:40 PM | #9 | ||||||
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It is a good read and some of the stories are almost outlandish to believe and full of bravado but I think its well written. It does suck you in reading about it all if your a Hemingway fan. Supposedly stories are taken from a recording of Leicester detailing accounts not previously documented from their exploits. I think Leicester was much younger than Ernest as I recall. The king cobra story was... don't know how to describe it. Just read it. I think best part is how Leicester describes Hemingway's writing style and its hard to disagree with the point.
BTW just reread a chapter last night that I forget about regarding a tiger hunt that is chilling. Such incredible stories that probably has a profound impact on Ernest. Hard to believe he would not of written about it, but is compelling that he didn't since he felt maybe so much guilt. What I find very interesting is that this book came out probably 10 to 12 years ago and it mentions the destruction by his son of the Scott 12 bore SXS that Ernest used to administer the "family exit". Here is link referencing another book's excerpt that talks about the Guns of Hemingway and reportedly shows a piece of the Scott Hemingway sidelock showing that a torch had been taken to it. It also appears to be the left sidelock. https://gardenandgun.com/slideshow/e...gways-guns/10/ Besides mandatory reading of some his books I thought it cool that on my parents gentlemen farm as a kid we had some Hemingway cats (multi-toed). A good friend of my parents that also owned our local newspaper was a huge Hemingway fan. He almost fell out his chair when my Mom made a passing comment about all the multi-toed kitties we had. He had to have one. He picked a real rare one since it had multi toes on all four feet. The scariest part was it had two long toes that were fused at dew claw area on both front feet. That cat learned to use those extra toes almost like an opposable thumb. Man that cat could climb almost as fast as it could run. I always thought that would make an incredible horror story like Lions of Tsavo if there was ever a large cat like a tiger, lion or cougar that had those type toes. I had never seen a grown man fawn over a cat that much. He acted the same as someone that had been given the pick of the litter from a famous bird dog or maybe the first foal sired by Secretariat (First Secretary). Last edited by Todd Poer; 09-18-2018 at 07:42 AM.. |
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09-18-2018, 09:16 AM | #10 | ||||||
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For character, of the three---Keith, O'Connor and Hemingway---J'OC would be most welcome in our home. Hemingway is a great writer but would be almost insufferable to me as company. I don't question Keith's prowess, having seen many lucky shots over 80 years. He's entertaining as a story-teller---"Aw, c'mon, Elmer!" Having said that, the photo looking over my shoulder as I write this is Karsh's print No. 2 of Hemingway, the turtle-neck portrait.
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