Remington factory loads short 10

[TxHuntermn]

I have found a limited source of these new old stock remington 10 gauge, 2 7/8, loads

Would these be safe in a damascus short 10? Parker or english, i have both.

[Roundsworth]

Responses will vary. Personally, I wouldn't do it. A heavy blackpowder load in 1911 was 5 drams with 1-1/4 ounces of shot. Bulk smokeless topped out at 4-1/4 drams with 1-1/4 ounces of shot. I have no idea what the pressures were. Drew Hause or Dave Noreen will have more in depth info. I wonder what RST shells have for pressures. Good Luck!

[Bill Murphy]

That's a pretty heavy load, but some shooters will shoot anything.

[OH Osthaus]

the Express as they say are heavy loads

as with the above- i would not

[Drew Hause]

My apology for the caveat, but no one can tell you if any load is safe in YOUR gun.

Feb 24, 1900 Sporting Life
The Winchester people offer the Repeater in 10, 12, 16 and 20 gauges, loaded with any of the standard brand of nitro powders; the maximum loads for this shell being 10-gauge, 3 1/2 drams powder, 1 1/4 oz. shot (shell boxes list 28 grains Ballistite or Laflin & Rand Bulk Powder).
We know 12g 1 1/4 oz. 3 1/2 Dr. Eq. BULK Smokeless was about 11,750 psi; DENSE Smokeless was 12,600 psi. 10g would certainly be less.

Until the 1920s, the heaviest North American factory loaded 10 gauge shells offered were 1 1/4 ounces of shot with 4 1/4 Dr. Eq. of smokeless powder in a 2 7/8 inch case. The Western Cartridge Co. Super-X load Super-Ten shell with 1 5/8 ounces of shot with 4 3/4 Dr. Eq. of Progressive Burning Smokeless Powder in a 2 7/8 inch case was introduced about 1926.

A Hunter Arms Co. Pressure Curve dated June 10, 1929, from the McCracken Research Library, Buffalo Bill Center of the West lists 12g 3” ‘Record’ 1 3/8 oz. shot (presumed 1275 – 1295 fps) at 13,250 psi + 10-14% for modern piezo transducer numbers. No 10g service load was included.

Those loads very likely are at the SAAMI recommended 2 7/8" maximum of 11,000 psi, and recoil would be substantial.

Recoil in a 12g 1 5/8 oz. 4 Dr. Eq. (1280 fps) in a 9# gun = 40 ft/lbs.
1 1/8 oz. at 1200, (3 Dram) in a 7.5# shotgun = 23.0 ft/lbs

[Dean Romig]

4 3/4 drams with 1 5/8 oz. of shot in my opinion is just asking for trouble in an old gun.





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[Craig Larter]

You have to be nuts to shoot that load in a damascus Parker!!!!

[TxHuntermn]

I Agree! I am not that familiar with any 10’s other than the full blown 3 1/2” loads. I shot an Ithaca Mag 10 for a few years goose hunting. So, I will stick to RST and GAD blackpowder for my recently axquired short 10’s.

Interesting though, I wonder what Guns these Remington loaded were intended for?
I have killed the vast majority of doves in my life with 2 1/2” AA .410’s, so I am not wary of softer loads.

[Researcher]

Not saying I recommend this, but ---

When I was in my high school and college years I saw plenty of those Super-Ten loads being used in a Quality 2 Syracuse L.C. Smith that was lighter weight than my 12-gauge 3-inch Super-Fox. That 10-gauge L.C. Smith was the only shotgun one member of our hunting group owned and he used it for everything from Doves with his 1 1/8 ounce hand loads to Ducks & Geese with the Super-Ten loads.

[charlie cleveland]

one thing for sure this was a top notch load in its day...i ve killed several turkeys with this load....this is a stout load probly my favorite load of all times my supply of these shells are about gone....charlie