confused

[Harold Pickens]

I dont look at the gun auction sites very often--I want to see the gun up close and personal and hopefully have someone with me who is knowledgeable. I saw a PH 12 on Gunbroker that had Vulcan steel barrels and was said to be all original--is that possible? All I have seen had twist or laminated steel.
Were Trogans available with beavertail forends?--saw one of those on there also.
I have sure learned alot here in the past 2 years, but feel like I'm still in kindergarden.

[Brush Buster]

Harold ,I saw the gun also ,I believe the first set of Barrels were Parker Steel which is correct ,then the ad said there were repair codes stamped on the gun as I recall and that was to suggest the gun had been sent back for the second set which it probably was as it is serialed to the gun and also has it's own forend ,I don't recall if the Vulcan Barreled Forend was stamped as # 2 but the forend iron should be if it was done at the factory ! Also a letter might clear up the fact about the Vulcan Barrels ! Russ

[charlie cleveland]

sounds like a mighty nice gun...charlie

[ed good]

riminton did put some vulcan steel barrels on guns other than the traditional vh grade guns...for example I have a grade 2, ghe with Vulcan steel barrels made in December of 1935, according to the date code stamped on the barrels and the research letter.

[Richard Flanders]

I have a 24" PHE-16 with steel bbls.

[Mills]

I have a PHE with Parker Steel barrels that I am sure are original to the gun. The beavertail forend on the Trojan would be more suspect.

[Bill Murphy]

I think the OP's question related more to Vulcan Steel on a PH than "fluid steel". Can we have the item number so we can look at the ad?

[Bruce Day]

We have Parker literature describing factory availability for new barrels. Guns could be re-barreled at various prices, Vulcans being least expensive. I assume that an owner of a higher grade gun might choose a Vulcan barrel because of cost.

[B. Dudley]

The P grade was the base grade gun until the introduction of the VH and later on the Trojan. The P grade guns had Twist or in rare circumstances Damascus. And the very late P grades had Parker Special steel. The PH was discontinued from the line not long after Fluid steel became the most used barrel steel. So, needless to say, not a lot of PH guns were fitted with fluid steel, so they are considered rarer and more desireable with collectors.

If a PH was sent back to Remington for new barrels, they COULD have been fitted with VH barrels if they had extra Meriden made VH barrels hanging around. But, there should be Repair codes marked on the gun. There was a transistion period where left over Meriden barrels were being used up before Remington used their own barrels on parkers. So, in these cases, there have been higher grade guns found with Vulcan marked barrels on them. But, this is an unlikely scenario for a PH since that grade was dropped from the Parker line before that transition period.

Regarding the Trojan question. The trojan was a grade that was high selling and offered not many options. Special orders were not usually accepted on Trojans, especially from individuals on individual guns.
The only Trojans with BTFE would be the Remington Trojan Skeet guns. And those guns were never really offered for sale to the public. They appeared in a few advertising pieces and only a handfull of Prototypes MIGHT have been built. One surviving example is in the Remington Museum. I do not know if any other surviving Trojan Skeets exist.

[Brush Buster]

Brian ,Not to argue but , not " Parker Spec. Steel " but " Parker Steel "" Barrels . Best ; Russ