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Unread 07-05-2024, 03:37 PM   #1
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How would a late 30’s Remington era 12 gauge Parker Skeet compare with a
similar era Winchester Tournament Skeet.

Rarity, desirability, functionality?
Both English stock, single trigger, checkered butt and of similar weight.

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The Winchester Tournament Grade Model 21 Skeet Gun was only offered from the Skeet Gun introduction in mid-1932 thru 1935. By 1936 the Tournament Grade was gone and the Model 21 Skeet Gun was offered in Standard, Trap and Custom Built Grade.

That said, the Tournament Grade Model 21 Skeet Gun seems to be more common than a legit Parker Skeet Gun.
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How would a late 30’s Remington era 12 gauge Parker Skeet compare with a
similar era Winchester Tournament Skeet.

Rarity, desirability, functionality?
Both English stock, single trigger, checkered butt and of similar weight.

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I would say that the Parker would be back in the repair shop every few years,
while the Winchester 21 would just keep on trucking.

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What Dave said - the M21 Skeet is very popular with the small coterie of shooters I shoot with every week - always see at least 1 or 2, often in 20 gauge. Seldom if ever see an original Parker skeet gun in any gauge. If I had to give a ratio estimate I would say 6 or 7 to 1 confirmed sightings of M 21s of any gauge vs. Parkers of similar persuasion. Just my personal experiences.
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I have been shooting both 20 gauge skeets for many years. I'll have to admit that the Model 21 20 gauge feels better in the hands and on the shoulder than the Parker, which has a delicate personna that is not conducive to high scores. Of course, the Parker is scarcer and of more interest to collectors. Unfortunately, neither the thirties vintage of either brand is usually identified by factory letter for the identity of its original purchaser.
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“CHOKES”
With Winchester you get pretty much WS2 / WS1
Any conventional wisdom on the range of constrictions you might enjoy with a Parker??
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Just my HO but I thing a Parker would have Skeet chokes something like Skeet Out (Skeet 1) of something between .014"-.019" and Skeet In (Skeet 20) somewhere .005"-.011"





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That's a lot of choke even for a going away bird. Ida guessed more like .012"-.014"
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Page 411 of TPS will give you some insight to the skeet chokings.
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Parker skeet guns were not choked for modern skeet shooting style, but neither was the Model 21. Some of each were choked for owners who knew which end the shot comes out. That proper choking would be near cylinder in both barrels. Some few Parkers and fewer Model 21s were choked for modern skeet.
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