Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Non-Parker Specific & General Discussions Shotgun Shell Reloading

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Brass 8’s
Unread 03-04-2023, 05:17 AM   #1
Member
6pt-Sika
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
CraigThompson's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 8,989
Thanks: 5,912
Thanked 8,244 Times in 3,679 Posts

Default Brass 8’s

Saw this stuff on GI maybe two years ago and was only mildly intrested about possibly trying some all brass 10’s but since I saw I could get all brass 8’s Parker head stamped no less I thought maybe trying some slug loads might be Intresting !
__________________
Parker’s , 6.5mm’s , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s and my family in the Philippines !
CraigThompson is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to CraigThompson For Your Post:
Unread 03-04-2023, 09:31 AM   #2
Member
Double Lab
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Daryl Corona's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,562
Thanks: 16,510
Thanked 6,868 Times in 2,623 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigThompson View Post
Saw this stuff on GI maybe two years ago and was only mildly intrested about possibly trying some all brass 10’s but since I saw I could get all brass 8’s Parker head stamped no less I thought maybe trying some slug loads might be Intresting !
Tank Busters.
__________________
Wag more- Bark less.
Daryl Corona is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Daryl Corona For Your Post:
Unread 03-04-2023, 02:44 PM   #3
Member
charlie cleveland
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 12,986
Thanks: 0
Thanked 7,803 Times in 3,968 Posts

Default

looks good to me...this should make a better round than just sticking the ball down into the case...looks tough....charlie
charlie cleveland is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to charlie cleveland For Your Post:
Unread 03-04-2023, 03:46 PM   #4
Member
Mike of the Mountain
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 5,149
Thanks: 16,649
Thanked 9,898 Times in 2,945 Posts

Default

Those'll take that buck mink out of the equation!! The chickens will rejoice.
Mike Koneski is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mike Koneski For Your Post:
Visit Mike Koneski's homepage!
Unread 03-04-2023, 06:41 PM   #5
Member
6pt-Sika
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
CraigThompson's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 8,989
Thanks: 5,912
Thanked 8,244 Times in 3,679 Posts

Default

That’s the way the Brits did it in years past . I’d prefer some type thing to make a slight radius on top and crimp the way factory ammunition was at the time . Like pictured below .
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg 46B6E121-20FF-41B3-9037-ABB1EFB45EBA.jpeg (62.5 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpeg 72A6C5EA-8F3A-4ED2-A760-120B8F0156F6.jpeg (45.0 KB, 0 views)
__________________
Parker’s , 6.5mm’s , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s and my family in the Philippines !
CraigThompson is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-04-2023, 06:43 PM   #6
Member
6pt-Sika
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
CraigThompson's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 8,989
Thanks: 5,912
Thanked 8,244 Times in 3,679 Posts

Default

If I do this I have no intention of glueing the top wad in etc . I want the metal crimped .
__________________
Parker’s , 6.5mm’s , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s and my family in the Philippines !
CraigThompson is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-08-2023, 01:17 PM   #7
Member
Paul Harm
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,774
Thanks: 44
Thanked 757 Times in 418 Posts

Default

I did it a couple of years back with 12ga shells. I've seen it referred to as a swedged crimp - slight roll over without the over. If I remember I used a Lee reloader. One of those chromed models in a small box with about 4 or 5 attachments. The crimping tube has a smooth taper to the one end. Because stack height is so important, it's hard to do. Good luck. Maybe a Mec SS could be made to work. Or the final stage in a progressive press.
__________________
Paul Harm
Paul Harm is offline   Reply With Quote
Visit Paul Harm's homepage!
Unread 03-08-2023, 01:40 PM   #8
Member
Aaron Beck
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 320
Thanks: 56
Thanked 207 Times in 128 Posts

Default

I would think some type of conical rotary tool in a drill press would do this to brass no problem. maybe even a light touch with a roll crimp tool.
Aaron Beck is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-09-2023, 10:50 AM   #9
Member
ArtS
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Posts: 928
Thanks: 84
Thanked 1,319 Times in 489 Posts

Default

I have the 8 gauge hulls along with most other gauges. I also have one of the Paradox crimpers for a 1-58" 20 gauge chamber in a rifled Sauer cape gun. The 8 gauge is a hoot with a full bore size ball (which are available already cast) since my 8 gauge is an 1870 single with no choke. It's really accurate for a round ball.

I am not really keen on the paradox crimp (or the roll crimping either). I my experience, neither works very well without annealing the case mouth area. This wouldn't be a problem except that, like rifle brass forming, with that much movement it needs to be annealed after each shot. If I had a Paradox gun, I might load some for display and show, or if I wanted to hunt with them to insure the load didn't shift I might special load for that. For everyday use, I would strongly recommend the glue in based on my experience. By the way, the crimper shown is specific as to the length. If you anneal, I am not sure that a regular crimp starter wouldn't work.
Arthur Shaffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-09-2023, 11:04 AM   #10
Member
6pt-Sika
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
CraigThompson's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 8,989
Thanks: 5,912
Thanked 8,244 Times in 3,679 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur Shaffer View Post
I have the 8 gauge hulls along with most other gauges. I also have one of the Paradox crimpers for a 1-58" 20 gauge chamber in a rifled Sauer cape gun. The 8 gauge is a hoot with a full bore size ball (which are available already cast) since my 8 gauge is an 1870 single with no choke. It's really accurate for a round ball.

I am not really keen on the paradox crimp (or the roll crimping either). I my experience, neither works very well without annealing the case mouth area. This wouldn't be a problem except that, like rifle brass forming, with that much movement it needs to be annealed after each shot. If I had a Paradox gun, I might load some for display and show, or if I wanted to hunt with them to insure the load didn't shift I might special load for that. For everyday use, I would strongly recommend the glue in based on my experience. By the way, the crimper shown is specific as to the length. If you anneal, I am not sure that a regular crimp starter wouldn't work.
You’re probably correct , but I wanna possibly do the brass shell thing with crimped brass . I don’t even entertain the idea of glueing a top wad etc that whole idea while maybe working well leaves a bad taste in my mouth so to speak . I’ve killed with roundballs in roll crimped black plastic Remington hulls using roundballs once and buckshot once . At present I’ve got a 730 grain .775” hollow base slug mold I wanna use on a deer . Accuracy for this slug in my smoothbore barrels is thirty yards possibly 35 or 40 on the outside . But typically I don’t try a shot on a deer with any shotgun much over 25 yards . We’ve got a Manton fully rifled hammer 8 bore double in the shop I’d love to buy and mess with and of course kill a deer , but the asking price is a BIG deterrent .
__________________
Parker’s , 6.5mm’s , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s and my family in the Philippines !
CraigThompson is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:32 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2024, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.