Frame Size Variants

[Dean Romig]

I opened up my hard copy of Parker Pages Volume 9, Issue 1 (Jan/Feb 2002) and read Austin Hogan's article "How Much Would You Like Your New Parker to Weigh Sir?" and found at the end of his article this Editor's Note:

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[Dean Romig]

Following up my above post, I searched my Parker Pages Digital Archive and read Austin's follow-up article in Parker Pages Vol. 9, Issue 6 (Nov/Dec 2002) where he continues to discuss frame dimensions and frame sizes.
I wonder if Chuck has come across the frame size notations in the Books as Austin suggests.

Further, And understanding that firing pin spacing determines frame size, I wonder if any PGCA Members have founs any anomalies in frame sizes among their Parkers?

[Stan Hillis]

Have you looked at subsequent issues to see if Hogan had an article that included that chart? I don't have Parker Pages going back that far.

Thanks, SRH

[Dean Romig]

Yes in fact, Austin’s charts are included in his follow-up article in the Nov/Dec article.

The $50 expense for the Parker Pages Digital Archive (available from Mike McKinney) is well worth the expense.





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[B. Dudley]

Yes, Parker “shop language” referred to the frame sizes by the outside breech ball measurements, not the numbers stamped on the barrel lug as we know them today. Chuck will confirm that many of the earlier stock books reference this outside measurement in them for frame size, before the books started being recorded with the more commonly known frame size numbers.

The barrels were marked with frame sizes for easy identification. But the frames were not. So the frames themselves were referred to by the outside breech measurement for size. Of course after finishing and shaping the measurements will vary some.

The weight and balance of a gun can be greatly effected with how much material is removed or left on the frame. Not long ago I had a 2 frame 12g with 32” barrels that was a true “cannon breech” sort of gun. The gun weighed well over 9 lbs. The gun could have easily been built on a 3 frame. But the factory chose a 2 frame. Even when just the back half of the gun was being held, it felt just heavy as hell in the frame. Big breech balls and less filing in the body of the frame.

[Dean Romig]

What say you Chuck?

Can you post a picture(s) of an entry in the ledgers that supports what Austin referenced?





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[Bill Murphy]

I own a #3 frame gun that was referred to as a 2 1/2 in the order. I'm sure there are others that refer to the frame in inches rather than frame number as stamped on the rear lug. Austin clarified that. The authors also referred to a #8 frame gun which later turned out to be a late production eight gauge gun owned by a friend of mine with the gauge stamped on the rear lug. We have learned a lot about frame sizes since the publishing of The Parker Story.

[B. Dudley]

This has been all discussed previously on the forum too. Chuck had a lot to offer based on the records in those past discussions.

[Bill Murphy]

Chuck, in answer to Dean's request, and without a lot of searching, you could print a copy of the order book entry for Serial Number 125,757, which was ordered as a "2 1/2 frame".

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Brian Dudley

This has been all discussed previously on the forum too. Chuck had a lot to offer based on the records in those past discussions.

Can you link those discussion threads here Brian?





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