UP Adventures and Misfortunes

[Harold Pickens]

MISFORTUNES FIRST:
After an 800 mile drive on Tuesday, the dogs and I arrived safely at our UP destination. I have lost track of the trips, was # 40 or 41. Wed. morning found me out early and I put my oldest out first, Fancy is 11 now. Despite moving 10 grouse, I only took 1 shot and missed. Doodle got the next call and I shot 4 grouse(5 is the limit) over her with the little Ugartechea 28 ga. I wanted to get Willie out and drove on to the next cover. Willie is my biggest running girl and was raring to get out. She promptly pointed 2 grouse, but no shots taken. Suddenly, I heard a yelp and she came walking back in breathing funny and stopped hunting. Could find no injury, so I walked her back to the truck--done for the day. Back at the cabin, she was still breathing funny and had foam or bubbles around her lips. Was in Iron Mtn. Veterinarians the next morning with Wille when they opened the doors. "we love English setters" the staff said as they gathered around her, and Willie is a tricolor beauty. One of the vets saw her within 10 minutes and I could tell she was concerned. X-rays revealed a collapsed right lung, no broken ribs, wounds, or penetrating foreign objects. They wanted me to take her immediately to a Blue Pearl surgical referal center in Green Bay or Appleton Wis, but both clinics declined to see her. I was going to have to take her to the Wisconsin Veterinary Referral Center(WVRC) outside Milwaukee, a 4 hour+ drive. Before I left, the vet in Iron Mtn did a thoracentesis and removed 1 1/2 liters of air from the chest cavity and Willies breathing improved immediately. At WVRC she was quickly evaluated. Her lung had reinflated so they did not think she would need a chest tube and CT scan. I left her there and got back to the cabin at 10:00 pm--a long day. On calling Friday afternoon, they felt I could pick her up Saturday. Another trip back and forth to Milwaukee, but Willie was home. No strenuous activity for 2-3 weeks was the recommendation, so her hunting was over. The pitiful looks she
gave me when I put the other dogs out to hunt would break your heart.
Good news today, had her to my vet who cleared her to resume her back to the field.
But the fun wasnt over yet, I was up there around 2 1/2 weeks and on Wednesday, 2 days before leaving, I noticed a heavy pink, creamy discharge from Doodles vulva, she had a pyometra, or uterine infection. Now, I have been prescribing oral antibiotics, steroids, etc for over 40 years now and started her on ciprofloxacin immediately. When I got back in cell phone coverage, I called my brother Dale, a veterinarian in Ashville, NC, who agreed with what I was doing but said it would probably be reoccurring, and should probably be spayed. I did get her cleared up but had her into my vet today also. Although the discharge had pretty much stopped the infection was still there, so he performed a spay procedure on her today and I'll pick her up this afternoon. You dont want to know what all this has cost me, lets just say I could buy a damn nice small bore Parker 20 for that. But all will be good, I'll hold Doodle up for a couple weeks, but now Willie is back in the lineup.
Old Fancy did a great job holding up her end as the senior partner of the team. I have lots of great pictures and happier stories to tell once I get things organized. Thanks to all who expressed concerns.

[Harold Pickens]

Me and my gals

[Double Lab]

Glad to hear all is well. We should start a thread on dog injuries in the field. I know I have a few.

[Bill Murphy]

Doc, I thought you medics traded procedures with your vets, net cost zero.

[James Whittington]

What could cause the lung to deflate like that ?

[Dollar]

What do you think caused the lung collapse?I have a guess but don't want to ruin your story.Glad to hear all are well.Had to spay our setter this summer for the same reason.
Bob

[Dean Romig]

Man! When it rains it pours Harold. Because we love them and they devote their lives to us we can't possibly refuse them the very best of care. Good to know things are looing up.





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[Harold Pickens]

The cause of the pneumothorax, or collapsed lung is idiopathic, in other words, duh, who knows. She let out a loud yelp like she had been hurt, run into something, but she had no bruising/hematoma on her chest or rib cage--they were shaved at the vets. It is possible that she had a lung bullae, an air filled space , like a bubble in the lung that ruptured and caused the collapsed lung. I asked if this would be painful, and they thought yes. These are more common in some breeds, but not common in E. setters .
Bob, I am interested in hearing your theory.
Doodle is back from her emergency hysterectomy/spay, still a bit woozy, but hungry--she should be able to hunt in 2 weeks.

[mobirdhunter]

Originally Posted by Harold Lee Pickens

The cause of the pneumothorax, or collapsed lung is idiopathic, in other words, duh, who knows. She let out a loud yelp like she had been hurt, run into something, but she had no bruising/hematoma on her chest or rib cage--they were shaved at the vets. It is possible that she had a lung bullae, an air filled space , like a bubble in the lung that ruptured and caused the collapsed lung. I asked if this would be painful, and they thought yes. These are more common in some breeds, but not common in E. setters .
Bob, I am interested in hearing your theory.
Doodle is back from her emergency hysterectomy/spay, still a bit woozy, but hungry--she should be able to hunt in 2 weeks.

So glad your pup is better. It's a scary prospect when you are far from home and something like this happens. Good luck with your pups AND your hunting.

[Dollar]

Glad to hear they are safe and sound.As for the cause I think it's possible that she ran into a bear.She might have got close enough to get slapped or just plowed over and took a blow to the side and collapsed the lung.Doesn't have to get cut by claws or bit.
I've had several dogs that we ran hogs with have the same thing.The hog can cut them with cutters but they don't always connect with the cutter.Hogs would throw their head at the dogs and flip them.Dog would yelp and coming running back.I think at least twice I remember.No wild hogs there but there are bears.
We ran into two bears this season in Minn. one a cub which was no threat and ended up being orphaned.The other was holed up in a deadfall either wounded or possibly working on a den.Luckily we were close and got the dog away before any conflict.
Good luck and again glad to hear the outcome.