Name this Damascus Pattern:

[Bruce P Bruner]

Doing some homework for a potential purchase. This interesting pattern seemed a bit different than what I'm accustomed to. The shotgun is an early W.W. Greener in the 20000 serial range. Perhaps it's a variation of 2-rod Crolle. I couldn't do any better on the photos. Thoughts?

[Bruce P Bruner]

I have identified the photos above as "Greener 3 Iron “Silver Steel” .
Best Silver Steel Damascus barrels contain over 70% of the finest steel, and it is the systematic twisting and arrangement of the iron and steel bars, as they are welded together and beaten into a flat ribbon before being coiled into the form of a tube, that give the beautiful figure or pattern observed in a first-class twist barrel...
Laminated steel barrels differ but slightly from those known as 'Damascus.' The former were first made by Mr. W. Greener (senior), of Birmingham, about 1850, and were composed of three parts steel and one part iron. At the present time the best English Damascus, as well as laminated steel barrels, contain over 60% of the harder metal, and there is little perceptible difference between Damascus and a Laminated Damascus barrel, as both are of very similar workmanship and materials.
The above information is contained here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...K6Ru6Dcig/edit

It's somewhat confusing considering both "Laminated and Damascus" can have similar and overlapping manufacturing processes and some barrels construction is known as "Laminated Damascus".
Simply fascinating!

[Mike of the Mountain]

Good digging Bruce. That is a pretty gun. I will add that if you want to name that Damascus pattern, I'd go with "Chuck". Chuck is a good name for stuff that is old and twisted.

[Bruce P Bruner]

Originally Posted by Mike Koneski

Good digging Bruce. That is a pretty gun. I will add that if you want to name that Damascus pattern, I'd go with "Chuck". Chuck is a good name for stuff that is old and twisted.

Could you possibly be referring to a certain "Chuck" that has his signature on those letters I keep getting in the mail?
The "Greener" was sold, however not to me. I didn't bid based on principle. I emailed the seller some basic questions about the shotgun and I didn't get the common courtesy of a reply. That has frequently happened lately and if those people think I'm purchasing anything sight unseen without a Q&A discussion they can sell their wares to someone else.
It may well have been a nice one for the price but even a "Bottom Feeder" like me has rules of engagement. Many listings have minimal or no description and it's very easy to just pass on by.

[Dean Romig]

I would recommend Dr. Drew Hause for composite barrel pattern identification.





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[Bruce P Bruner]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

I would recommend Dr. Drew Hause for composite barrel pattern identification.

I agree Dean, I have had correspondence with Dr. Drew and his expertise is unquestionably remarkable. His historical research compilation of Damascus history and identification can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...QzuYRuLvs/edit

[Pa SxS]

I resemble that remark! Go Cincinnati!

[Mike of the Mountain]

Originally Posted by Chuck Bishop

I resemble that remark! Go Cincinnati!

BWAHAHAHAHA!! ROLL TIDE ROLL!! RAMMER JAMMER YELLOW HAMMER!!

[Mike of the Mountain]

Bruce, bottom feeders unite!!!! I’m with you 100%!!

[todd allen]

I am no expert on composite barrels, though I did bring Oscar Gaddy to a pigeon shoot once.