Well Jack, As our bureaucracies become more frenchified and layered the perquisite becomes more common. The lifters are great guns and you will have fun with it. Jent Mitchell has been working up low pressure nitro loads for old guns using Clays powder, as are other members of this forum. I have shot some of them and they are great. Much easier to clean up after than BP. One doesn't get the lovely cloud of blue smoke but then one can then see whether one missed or not. there are low pressure, low velocity loads made by RTS and B&P. B&P makes a 2 5/8" shell that might be the chamber length in your lifter. You did say 12 gauge? Good shooting. David
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