[QUOTE=Harry Collins;9312]Austin,

That is a clear way of tying all the pieces together. Even I understood. I couldn't find your artical in the latest DGJ Index and Reader. I will look in the first one and then in those DGJ's not indexed. Pitch has been a wonderful topic of discusssion. I have had Winchester Model 12's with negative pitch and have not been able to check the current Winchester residents. Will try to do that this evening.

Thanks, Harry- Let me know if I can help, as I have seven older Model 12's-one a 20 made in 1932 with the pre-1935 "perch bellied" stock and smaller grip, a 28 made made in 1939, two 3" Magnums, a Field grade 12 and a original 1948 era Pigeon Trap 12 30" VR-- be glad to give you aprox. pitch, as none of them have been altered. I am blessed, right handed, right master eyed, still 20-20 vision, and any unaltered Model 12 field gun fits me "to a Tee"- But I shoot the doubles a great deal, possibly some variance between them, all I know is, if the stock is not too short, and I see nothing but the single bird in my focus and not any rib or sight bead(s)- dead bang!!

Austin must have an engineering background, and the genius of the Parker designers is evident to us all in setting a standard for pitch that allowed for slight variances in drop and LOP- interesting that Austin detailed for us the data from the front trigger arc position- wonder if later on when Parker offered its single trigger as an option if that placement changed things??