I have been moving lots of Grouse each time I have gone out. Moving is the optimum word as the cover is so thick it's often just a glimpse or the sound of wings that let you know there was a bird here.
Woodcock are very spotty however. I got into some flight birds on 10/20 in a buch of scrub oaks of all places. It was so thick you could harsly get through the stuff. In four trips to the U.P. I haven't seen much more than half a dozen Woodcock.
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