Thanks for the heads up on the Cheddite 209's Paul. I bought 5000 of them last weekend and loaded them in my 12ga. 3/4oz. load. Could'nt tell any difference between them and the WW209's. I don't think I'll ever load anything but the 3/4oz. load from now on. What a pleasure to shoot and their performance is on a par with the 7/8oz. as far as target breaking. Now I'm saving even more per shell with a dramatic reduction in recoil. Less is really more. Can't wait to try them on my 3/4oz. 20ga. load.