Daryl, because at my club we put in big orders we get reloading supplies for dealer cost [ Claybuster wads are $68/5000 ] and I've been useing the CB-4100 wad that is for 7/8 or 1oz of shot. I'm almost out and have 5000 of the CB-0178 wads and it's .060 higher in the cushion area than the 4100. Think I can try some 3/4oz loads and finally get a good crimp. In one of the shotgun magazines I read that Tim Woodhouse tried the 0178 wad with 3/4oz of shot and they worked great. Only problem was at skeet, the pattern was too tight and he had to use softer shot to open it up enough. He claimed he used skeet chokes at sporting clays and had plenty of choke. With only 3/4oz in the 12ga there is almost no shot deformation. This could be a fix for any of you guys with old SxSs with no choke - should give you about an IC. Still have a 1000 of the 4100s so it'll be a couple of weeks before I can try the 0178s. For a powder charge, I'll use what I do for 7/8oz and pick up some FPS. Let you know how it works out. Paul
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