the auction house i got this from had several odd names for the 4 ga and 8 ga...2 of the other 8 ga loads were 8 ga magic and 8 ga expert these were all umc shells i sure wanted those other loads maybe next time...thanks for the info on the trap shells i forgot to mention this shell was a pretty green color and looked close to elet type color and a glossy finish like lacour... i dont know how rare it is bill but its my first trap 8 ga to own ive seen some others on auction sites but not many....charlie
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